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2025-11-20T11:41:19.439059+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	hi Maverick2797
2025-11-20T11:41:27.304061+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	heyo
2025-11-20T11:41:35.480320+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Just restored train service to RelaxingBasin
2025-11-20T11:42:19.361189+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	sounds relaxing
2025-11-20T11:43:38.162428+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	I am messing up with my LuaATc /env_setup
2025-11-20T11:43:54.894951+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	FYI my env_setup.lua is too big that I have to use Makefile to combine multiple files so it makes sense
2025-11-20T11:44:11.165125+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	lol
2025-11-20T11:44:32.071538+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	I am essentially using LuaATC to replace station/stop rail entirely
2025-11-20T11:44:33.070912+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	how much are you automating to need such a large file?
2025-11-20T11:44:45.155925+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	so I can incorporate PIS
2025-11-20T11:45:03.856445+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	PIS?
2025-11-20T11:45:16.778948+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	passenger information system, they fetch data directly from the station/stop rail substitudes
2025-11-20T11:45:25.346432+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	ah, nice
2025-11-20T11:45:34.271719+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	https://github.com/C-C-Minetest-Server/twi_atlatc_env
2025-11-20T11:45:50.439272+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Just pushed something
2025-11-20T11:46:47.772980+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	I reused a train from the new spawn's metro, cuz that line was socrammed
2025-11-20T11:46:50.667041+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	*so crammed
2025-11-20T11:47:16.713667+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	and I don't mind runnig 15 m s^-1 on a sort part of the main line - that's mostly quad-tracked, anyways
2025-11-20T11:47:42.618425+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	huh I forgot to open the doors
2025-11-20T11:50:40.533882+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Maverick2797: Btw, which one is more often carried out on LIFO, parking unused trains into a depot and reuse them, or scrap them into iron in place?
2025-11-20T11:51:49.406468+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	probably depends on the player? I tend to only craft trains sparingly so anything not in use gets parked in a yard, but you don't really see that many parked trains around?
2025-11-20T11:52:42.818835+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	and the drop rate for scrapping wagons gets very impractical once you factor in how much goes into the more material-expensive locomotives eg dlxtrains
2025-11-20T11:52:50.640394+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	I don't know why, but I have 14 spare E231s, KuHa-MoHa-KuHa
2025-11-20T11:53:17.103830+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	link multiple sets together as a "peak hour service" train?
2025-11-20T11:53:39.174472+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	well, platforms on the main line are 41m long but...
2025-11-20T11:55:27.670538+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	ah yes... the old platform length fallacy: build the platform to fit what you have expecting to not have anything longer trains, but complain about short platforms when you get longer trains
2025-11-20T11:56:17.430265+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	is replacing printer toner
2025-11-20T12:04:04.704632+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	1F616EMO: looking for an opinion: should I stay where I am at JATIC or relocate to this area? I like the terrain but I'm not sure how well it works with trains...
2025-11-20T12:09:36.313140+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Maverick2797: coming
2025-11-20T12:09:43.326058+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	where?
2025-11-20T12:09:58.858174+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	this whole bay area
2025-11-20T12:10:07.575868+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	it's very vertical :)
2025-11-20T12:10:40.227992+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	i'm thinking maybe rope bridges with farms carved into the cliffs?
2025-11-20T12:11:23.859448+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Not likely to have direct mainline connection, but shuttles can be set up and run freights as well
2025-11-20T12:12:25.780516+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	yeah, anywhere I eventually end up will probably be mainly freight with maybe the occasional passenger shuttle for variety
2025-11-20T12:13:44.300532+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Gotta draft a railway guideline...
2025-11-20T12:14:21.839200+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	glances at guidelines briefly before sinalling for lefthand running
2025-11-20T12:14:25.334079+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	*signalling
2025-11-20T12:14:34.703799+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	hmm
2025-11-20T12:15:51.101323+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	ooohhhh those godrays... yep I'm moving base locations
2025-11-20T12:16:11.338608+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	How LIFO handle connections between left and right-handed railways?
2025-11-20T12:16:21.446486+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	rarely and ad-hoc
2025-11-20T12:16:32.178292+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	it doesn't really
2025-11-20T12:16:37.688601+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Meh
2025-11-20T12:17:05.716582+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	I prefer having everything interoperatable (that's why I can transfer a subway train from the new Spawn to RelaxingBasin in all of a sudden
2025-11-20T12:17:42.124395+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	left-handed railway don't nessessary harm this, but it might be complicated, esp. if you don't wanna block the other direction as a train passes the point
2025-11-20T12:17:55.047330+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	tbh there's no operational difference between LHR and RHR, so long as there's a clear demarcation point when they meet
2025-11-20T12:18:12.553958+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Yeah, just concerned about whether and how should they be connected
2025-11-20T12:18:40.130587+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	whether: sure, the trains have doors on both sides
2025-11-20T12:18:50.766909+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	how: flyovers and diamond crossings
2025-11-20T12:19:13.743383+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Btw, I live in Hong Kong, another LRH place, but I just happens to live next to the only RHR railway (except high speed railway) in HK...
2025-11-20T12:19:41.462954+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	and so I decided to do RHR lol
2025-11-20T12:19:49.707391+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	lojik
2025-11-20T12:21:47.824180+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	in terms of passenger experience, I don't think there's any difference between LHR and RHR. I don't necessarily look in a particular direction at a platform unless it's explicitly signed that trains are headed towards x station in this direction
2025-11-20T12:21:51.447815+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Maverick2797: I can allow LHR. You can choose how to connect to the mainline (which must be RHR) in whatever way - it is unlikely to have very high traffic on your island
2025-11-20T12:22:12.867990+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	But if you want capacity, use flyovers or tunnels
2025-11-20T12:25:29.679653+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	no probs, any connection to the mainline was going to be a LHF->RHR conversion anyway. I'm just used to putting the signals on the left for some reason
2025-11-20T12:27:01.343892+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	❰ Left the game
2025-11-20T12:27:08.766159+00:00	1F616EMO~nya @TG	oops
2025-11-20T12:27:33.344016+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	that caused a lagspike somehow
2025-11-20T12:27:42.993625+00:00	1F616EMO~nya @TG	hmm
2025-11-20T12:27:51.742566+00:00	1F616EMO~nya @TG	a lot of mod clearing their cache
2025-11-20T12:27:56.772191+00:00	1F616EMO~nya @TG	or maybe the doc mod saving data
2025-11-20T12:28:03.319283+00:00	1F616EMO~nya @TG	IDK why the doc mod seems to be very heavy
2025-11-20T12:28:27.168971+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	the glider took a good second or two to deploy, hit the ground and bounced and *then* it deployed
2025-11-20T12:28:56.742601+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	is the docs mod not static text generated at startup?
2025-11-20T12:29:29.519654+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	has never looked into the docs mod
2025-11-20T14:03:35.698774+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	❱ Joined the game
2025-11-20T14:03:38.466569+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	hi Maverick2797
2025-11-20T14:04:38.219384+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	wb
2025-11-20T14:05:12.891044+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	currently looking at signalling diagrams, trying to decide on a station/yard layout
2025-11-20T14:05:32.298231+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	where are the diagrams?
2025-11-20T14:05:41.085837+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	https://victorianrailways.net/signaling/completedia/sigdialist.html
2025-11-20T14:05:58.834574+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Btw should I grant you track_builder (and interlocking?) now, or later?
2025-11-20T14:06:07.264930+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	ah also train_operator
2025-11-20T14:06:14.023056+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	now works I guess :)
2025-11-20T14:06:25.652397+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	saves me having to ask for it later
2025-11-20T14:06:27.069253+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Note that building tracks in your own area doesn't work unless you have track_builder
2025-11-20T14:06:31.573076+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	okay
2025-11-20T14:07:13.576343+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	really? i thought that track_builder was only required for building *outside* protected areas?
2025-11-20T14:07:19.568990+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	ty
2025-11-20T14:07:23.731033+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Maverick2797: That's a config
2025-11-20T14:07:42.917251+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	that would make sense
2025-11-20T14:07:45.007846+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Maverick2797: we have a sandbox server on mt-sandbox.1f616emo.xyz:33000, with creative mode, you can test there
2025-11-20T14:08:05.087143+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Though I have to grant you various access before you can interact
2025-11-20T14:09:03.652773+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	use the same credentials as on this server, they are synced
2025-11-20T14:11:18.002674+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	cool, I'll have to have a look one day
2025-11-20T14:11:46.932323+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Maverick2797: If you need LuaATC access, ask me (you have atlatc on LIFO, so I assume you can handle LuaATC well)
2025-11-20T14:12:02.951258+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	is there any preference for single track vs double track lines? aside from the obvious capacity restrictions
2025-11-20T14:12:34.282499+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Maverick2797: No, just do whatever you want
2025-11-20T14:12:39.574711+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	:)
2025-11-20T14:12:50.628736+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Just avoid clogging the main line
2025-11-20T14:13:21.299581+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	thanks, I'm still a little ways away from building anything with LuaATC, but I've found it's hard to live without for decent freight operations
2025-11-20T14:13:31.295525+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Yeah
2025-11-20T14:14:04.182146+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Also can I use my LuaATC tracks and PIS for shuttles/other passenger services within your systems?
2025-11-20T14:14:20.953379+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	"Serviceton" on the Vic/SA border looks like an interesting plan, might give that a try: https://victorianrailways.net/signaling/completedia/servi1919.html
2025-11-20T14:14:34.023127+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	sure
2025-11-20T14:14:37.972033+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Maverick2797: :-D
2025-11-20T14:14:48.316595+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	that helps a lot in reusing displays in existing stations
2025-11-20T14:15:07.787900+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	about the plan, we don't have turn tables...
2025-11-20T14:15:15.775921+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	the best we can do is aqye
2025-11-20T14:15:17.836959+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	*wyq
2025-11-20T14:15:19.156039+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	*wye
2025-11-20T14:15:25.943550+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	probably won't be much passenger service on my end, but you're more than welcome to add a service
2025-11-20T14:15:52.450642+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	I am thinking of a shuttle from the nearest mainline station to the center of your industrial compounds
2025-11-20T14:15:59.653201+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	static display only for the turntables (for now)
2025-11-20T14:23:02.908772+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	1F616EMO: rather than protecting a mosaic of areas, is there any chance I could request the areas_high_limit priv please?
2025-11-20T14:25:01.622829+00:00	vandanoefamily@MT_TWI	❱ Joined the game (new player)
2025-11-20T14:25:11.443952+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	hi vandanoefamily :)
2025-11-20T14:26:52.869441+00:00	Ryukenzoy@MT_TWI	❱ Joined the game
2025-11-20T14:26:57.950922+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	hi Ryukenzoy
2025-11-20T14:28:43.094903+00:00	Ryukenzoy@MT_TWI	Hiya!
2025-11-20T14:28:49.610373+00:00	Ryukenzoy@MT_TWI	Hiya
2025-11-20T14:29:11.779475+00:00	vandanoefamily@MT_TWI	❰ Left the game
2025-11-20T14:29:16.572514+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	was writing some documents
2025-11-20T14:29:20.482493+00:00	Ryukenzoy@MT_TWI	❰ Left the game (timed out)
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2025-11-20T14:49:03.518895+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Maverick2797: Btw, all your stations need a prefix to avoid conflicts. For example, y5nw uses "NO-" for his Nordstetten LRT stations, and HelenasaurusRex use "HR-" for all her stations. What do you want?
2025-11-20T14:50:11.924921+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	It need not to be two-letter, but it SHOULD be in uppercase
2025-11-20T14:50:15.533579+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	good idea, does it have to be 2 letters only? if not then "M27-"
2025-11-20T14:50:21.710556+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	e.g. I have assigned ELK
2025-11-20T14:50:27.698785+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	M27: Okay
2025-11-20T14:50:50.288155+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	or MAV- if the numbers don't work for whatever reason
2025-11-20T14:50:51.091119+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	You can use this prefix in the style "M27-([A-Za-z0-9-_])"
2025-11-20T14:51:11.674646+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Maverick2797: There is a lot of flexibility on this, cuz those are not enforced at a code level
2025-11-20T14:51:18.403819+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	just to avoid conflicts
2025-11-20T14:51:33.344799+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	so that you can freely assign IDs without worrying about others
2025-11-20T14:52:07.606878+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	ok cool, M27 it is then, that's my semi-signature so I should remember that one (hopefully)
2025-11-20T14:53:17.385299+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	oh, almost forgot this is your house, Ryukenzoy
2025-11-20T14:53:34.627318+00:00	Ryukenzoy@MT_TWI	Hiya! I've been busy lol
2025-11-20T14:53:49.202101+00:00	Ryukenzoy@MT_TWI	So much has changed
2025-11-20T14:54:02.736003+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	I suspect I have lost a lot of players when I did a bad decision - loading all phonograph audios at startup time
2025-11-20T14:54:13.007270+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	that might have blocked mobile players from the server
2025-11-20T14:54:28.903494+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	That have been fixed a month after its introduction, but that was too late
2025-11-20T14:54:53.116077+00:00	Ryukenzoy@MT_TWI	Ah, that's too bad then
2025-11-20T14:55:25.820178+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	For alcantaramark, that was just a coincidence, but I believe some did leave because of that reason
2025-11-20T14:55:45.397188+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	cuz I saw a dignificant drop in player count around that time
2025-11-20T14:55:50.296782+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	*significant
2025-11-20T14:56:10.714858+00:00	Ryukenzoy@MT_TWI	How much player that's active usually nowadays?
2025-11-20T14:56:46.583578+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	four to five active players, usually on bi-daily
2025-11-20T14:56:59.599797+00:00	Ryukenzoy@MT_TWI	Oh wow...
2025-11-20T14:57:09.212595+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	or maybe 3-4, IDK
2025-11-20T14:57:19.660737+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	I don't have dedicated statistics for "active" players
2025-11-20T14:57:26.832946+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	just recalling my memory
2025-11-20T15:00:42.065067+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Maverick2797: some railway guidelines: https://wiki-twi.1f616emo.xyz/wiki/Administration:Railway_Guidelines
2025-11-20T15:01:53.505199+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	you can also log into the wiki with your in-gae credentials
2025-11-20T15:01:56.776387+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	*in-game
2025-11-20T15:02:29.592263+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	looks good
2025-11-20T15:02:44.065287+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	no minimum platform length guidelines?
2025-11-20T15:03:10.399849+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Ah
2025-11-20T15:04:34.041682+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	I don't think a hard limit is needed
2025-11-20T15:04:42.182125+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	though I may RECOMMEND 41 for intercity
2025-11-20T15:04:59.096180+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	or RECOMMEND at least 25 (this one seems more flexible)
2025-11-20T15:07:20.138078+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	25 as a minimum sounds good, the ones near spawn are 21-25m from IP to LuaATC
2025-11-20T15:08:03.152091+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Hmm, there is a 24m long platform at /spawn, serving Head-Body-Head moretrains:japanses...
2025-11-20T15:08:18.038601+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	*are four 24m long platforms
2025-11-20T15:08:20.308633+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	upstairs is 46m... that's a pretty long station
2025-11-20T15:09:04.987775+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Maverick2797: The upper platforms is designed to accommodate very long trains
2025-11-20T15:09:36.138389+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	I have definitely taken inspiration from China high-speed railway stations
2025-11-20T15:09:58.475646+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	but the bay platform design was taken from Eulers Street
2025-11-20T15:10:03.941001+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	gotta go fast >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
2025-11-20T15:10:27.833469+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Maverick2797: Well we do go faster than LIFO, at 30 m s^-1
2025-11-20T15:10:46.334598+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	I tried raising that ro 40 but failed cuz it throws me off any trains
2025-11-20T15:11:48.032305+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	30m/s^-1 == 0.03~m/s?  not sure where the ^-1 comes into it
2025-11-20T15:12:07.894043+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	30 m/s
2025-11-20T15:12:21.844603+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	^ is for superscript
2025-11-20T15:13:04.736906+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	current limit on advtrains@master is 20 m.s
2025-11-20T15:13:06.348791+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	*m/s
2025-11-20T15:13:28.250056+00:00	Maverick2797@MT_TWI	`\o/` anyways, speaking of gotta go, i gotta go to bed... laters o/
2025-11-20T15:13:39.733578+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	I have set the max speed of my trains to 30 m/s, and 40 m/s on the system level so I can set up signages for 40 m/s before I can reach it
2025-11-20T15:13:43.856206+00:00	1F616EMO@MT_TWI	Maverick2797: bye
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